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	<title>Comments on: Facilitating the social annotation and commentary of web pages</title>
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	<description>assistant professor, suny oswego</description>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2005/05/20/facilitating-the-social-annotation-and-commentary-of-web-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 04:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think your ideas are great: why not allow granular comments &amp; social discussion at the source document?

seems like a good idea to me

i see it as particularly valuable for group discussion of documents (like goodnotes above)

maybe &quot;web page&quot; are only an early iteration of what highly networked communication can be

web 2.0 is allowing more interactivity in any case - extending the page idea into new forms

interesting, thanks ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think your ideas are great: why not allow granular comments &#038; social discussion at the source document?</p>
<p>seems like a good idea to me</p>
<p>i see it as particularly valuable for group discussion of documents (like goodnotes above)</p>
<p>maybe &#8220;web page&#8221; are only an early iteration of what highly networked communication can be</p>
<p>web 2.0 is allowing more interactivity in any case &#8211; extending the page idea into new forms</p>
<p>interesting, thanks &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Doria</title>
		<link>http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2005/05/20/facilitating-the-social-annotation-and-commentary-of-web-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Doria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used a product as long ago as the 1990s that provided much of this functionality. It was called iMarkup. It allowed annotation and comments to web pages that were stored locally, but could also be shared via e-mail or a dedicated server. I believe it was specific to Internet Explorer, but it offered features similar to many of the Mozilla add-ons you cover here.

It seems the company has de-emphasised this aspect of their business to concentrate on server-based knowledge management software, but the product I once used is still available as iMarkup Desktop Client at the included URL (http://www.imarkup.com/client/imarkup_client.asp.) It&#039;s priced at about $40.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used a product as long ago as the 1990s that provided much of this functionality. It was called iMarkup. It allowed annotation and comments to web pages that were stored locally, but could also be shared via e-mail or a dedicated server. I believe it was specific to Internet Explorer, but it offered features similar to many of the Mozilla add-ons you cover here.</p>
<p>It seems the company has de-emphasised this aspect of their business to concentrate on server-based knowledge management software, but the product I once used is still available as iMarkup Desktop Client at the included URL (<a href="http://www.imarkup.com/client/imarkup_client.asp." rel="nofollow">http://www.imarkup.com/client/imarkup_client.asp.</a>) It&#8217;s priced at about $40.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonah Bossewitch</title>
		<link>http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2005/05/20/facilitating-the-social-annotation-and-commentary-of-web-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonah Bossewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Center for New Media Teaching and Learning&lt;/a&gt;, we have been developing a GPL annotation implementation, initially within the &lt;a href=&quot;http://plone.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Plone&lt;/a&gt; CMS, called based on the metaphor of sticky notes.

- The &lt;a href=&quot;http://plone.org/products/stickies&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PloneStickies &lt;/a&gt; home page.
- A &lt;a href=&quot;http://plone.org/products/stickies/roadmap/psc_improvements_listing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;roadmap &lt;/a&gt; of future development.
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://mrenoch.objectis.net/collab/stickies/FutureOfStickies&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Notes&lt;/a&gt; on motivations, challenges, and future directions
- A &lt;a href=&quot;http://anders.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/test/newsticky.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;working demo&lt;/a&gt; of just the pure js/css sticky notes, that are designed to be adapted to any online environment.

In our experience, we have discovered the differences between annotating arbitrary content on the web, and annotating content w/in an environment where you control both the client and the server (ie, a CMS or an LMS).

The possibilities afforded by taking advantage of server-side intelligence are tough to pass up - things like searchable stickies, workflowable stickies, keyword stickies (think tagging), and runtime configurable placement policy are all problems that are much more tractable when annotating content within the system.

If anyone is interested in learning more about our project, or potentially collaborating on its future development, please contact me.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here at the <a href="http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu" rel="nofollow">Center for New Media Teaching and Learning</a>, we have been developing a GPL annotation implementation, initially within the <a href="http://plone.org" rel="nofollow">Plone</a> CMS, called based on the metaphor of sticky notes.</p>
<p>- The <a href="http://plone.org/products/stickies" rel="nofollow">PloneStickies </a> home page.<br />
- A <a href="http://plone.org/products/stickies/roadmap/psc_improvements_listing" rel="nofollow">roadmap </a> of future development.<br />
- <a href="http://mrenoch.objectis.net/collab/stickies/FutureOfStickies" rel="nofollow">Notes</a> on motivations, challenges, and future directions<br />
- A <a href="http://anders.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/test/newsticky.html" rel="nofollow">working demo</a> of just the pure js/css sticky notes, that are designed to be adapted to any online environment.</p>
<p>In our experience, we have discovered the differences between annotating arbitrary content on the web, and annotating content w/in an environment where you control both the client and the server (ie, a CMS or an LMS).</p>
<p>The possibilities afforded by taking advantage of server-side intelligence are tough to pass up &#8211; things like searchable stickies, workflowable stickies, keyword stickies (think tagging), and runtime configurable placement policy are all problems that are much more tractable when annotating content within the system.</p>
<p>If anyone is interested in learning more about our project, or potentially collaborating on its future development, please contact me.</p>
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		<title>By: Geof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been working on an annotation feature for the forums in Moodle.  It allows for highlighting and margin notes.  Unlike the other web annotation systems I&#039;ve seen, it does not require special browser software;  rather, it is integrated with the host application (Moodle for now).

This is it allows for closer integration;  so, for example, annotations are associated not only with a web page and a chunk of text, but also with the title and author of that highlighted text.  This makes integrated searches and summaries possible (show me all of the annotations in a given discussion thread, for example).  Annotations are tied to a chunk of content, so even if it appears on a different page (e.g. a different forum message view), the annotation can still be present.  The great disadvantage is that this requires integration with the host application:  it can&#039;t be used to annotate arbitrary web pages.

One other feature I&#039;m playing with is generating an RSS/Atom syndication feed of annotations, so that it&#039;s possible to subscribe to a user&#039;s annotations and read them - along with excerpted text, author, title, and a link to their context - in a feed aggregator.

I have more information, including GPL source code, at www.geof.net/code/annotation/ (or click on my name below).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been working on an annotation feature for the forums in Moodle.  It allows for highlighting and margin notes.  Unlike the other web annotation systems I&#8217;ve seen, it does not require special browser software;  rather, it is integrated with the host application (Moodle for now).</p>
<p>This is it allows for closer integration;  so, for example, annotations are associated not only with a web page and a chunk of text, but also with the title and author of that highlighted text.  This makes integrated searches and summaries possible (show me all of the annotations in a given discussion thread, for example).  Annotations are tied to a chunk of content, so even if it appears on a different page (e.g. a different forum message view), the annotation can still be present.  The great disadvantage is that this requires integration with the host application:  it can&#8217;t be used to annotate arbitrary web pages.</p>
<p>One other feature I&#8217;m playing with is generating an RSS/Atom syndication feed of annotations, so that it&#8217;s possible to subscribe to a user&#8217;s annotations and read them &#8211; along with excerpted text, author, title, and a link to their context &#8211; in a feed aggregator.</p>
<p>I have more information, including GPL source code, at <a href="http://www.geof.net/code/annotation/" rel="nofollow">http://www.geof.net/code/annotation/</a> (or click on my name below).</p>
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		<title>By: Bird's Eye View</title>
		<link>http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2005/05/20/facilitating-the-social-annotation-and-commentary-of-web-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Bird's Eye View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;collaboration around web pages&lt;/strong&gt;

Stumbled upon this work from Ulises Ali Mejias on http://ideant.typepad.com/ideant/2005/05/facilitating_th.html.  In it he outlines some of his ideas on how discourse can be more appropriatly integrated with the web.  In particular he provides six char...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>collaboration around web pages</strong></p>
<p>Stumbled upon this work from Ulises Ali Mejias on <a href="http://ideant.typepad.com/ideant/2005/05/facilitating_th.html" rel="nofollow">http://ideant.typepad.com/ideant/2005/05/facilitating_th.html</a>.  In it he outlines some of his ideas on how discourse can be more appropriatly integrated with the web.  In particular he provides six char&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Piazza</title>
		<link>http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2005/05/20/facilitating-the-social-annotation-and-commentary-of-web-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Piazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 12:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen &quot;The Ivanhoe Game&quot;? You should.

http://www.patacriticism.org/ivanhoe/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen &#8220;The Ivanhoe Game&#8221;? You should.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.patacriticism.org/ivanhoe/" rel="nofollow">http://www.patacriticism.org/ivanhoe/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Landon's Weblog for Students</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Landon's Weblog for Students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 20:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;eLearning - student services&lt;/strong&gt;

Facilitating the Social Annotation and Commentary of Web Pages .
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<p>Facilitating the Social Annotation and Commentary of Web Pages .</p>
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		<title>By: Glacial Erratics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glacial Erratics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 03:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;links for 2005-05-21&lt;/strong&gt;

{nid PMI} {{{ i d e a n t: Facilitating the social annotation and commentary of web pages requirements for distributed discourse technologies (tags: ftr purple collaboration) {nid PMJ} }}} {nid PMK}...
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<p>{nid PMI} {{{ i d e a n t: Facilitating the social annotation and commentary of web pages requirements for distributed discourse technologies (tags: ftr purple collaboration) {nid PMJ} }}} {nid PMK}&#8230;</p>
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