Comments on: The tyranny of nodes: Towards a critique of social network theories http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/ assistant professor, suny oswego Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:32:22 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Unthinking the network « Viplav Baxi’s Meanderings http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-983 Unthinking the network « Viplav Baxi’s Meanderings Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:24:32 +0000 http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/#comment-983 [...] January 26, 2010 by Viplav Baxi Ulises Mejias writes a very thought-provoking post Disassembled Spaces. He makes the point that if we are not able to ensure that a substantial part of our social and cultural production over the Internet is controlled openly rather than by a handful of private corporations, should we begin “unthinking the network”? He explores many dimensions of the concept in his post The tyranny of nodes. [...] [...] January 26, 2010 by Viplav Baxi Ulises Mejias writes a very thought-provoking post Disassembled Spaces. He makes the point that if we are not able to ensure that a substantial part of our social and cultural production over the Internet is controlled openly rather than by a handful of private corporations, should we begin “unthinking the network”? He explores many dimensions of the concept in his post The tyranny of nodes. [...]

]]> By: LMS and SNS « Viplav Baxi’s Meanderings http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-974 LMS and SNS « Viplav Baxi’s Meanderings Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:24:42 +0000 http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/#comment-974 [...] also really interesting to follow Ulises Mejias’ post on the tyranny of nodes. Ulises argues that “network undermines productive forms of sociality by over-privileging the [...] [...] also really interesting to follow Ulises Mejias’ post on the tyranny of nodes. Ulises argues that “network undermines productive forms of sociality by over-privileging the [...]

]]> By: Hello social networking :: SonicIntervention http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-668 Hello social networking :: SonicIntervention Wed, 21 Jan 2009 07:50:47 +0000 http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/#comment-668 [...] http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-th... [...] [...] http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-th... [...]

]]> By: The Tyranny of Nodes « Studyingsociology’s Weblog http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-354 The Tyranny of Nodes « Studyingsociology’s Weblog Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:51:34 +0000 http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/#comment-354 [...] writes something that is relatively easy to understand about the work they are involved in. This social networking blog is such a case, especially if you read all the way through the discussion so that you can see how [...] [...] writes something that is relatively easy to understand about the work they are involved in. This social networking blog is such a case, especially if you read all the way through the discussion so that you can see how [...]

]]> By: paolo http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-266 paolo Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:50:34 +0000 http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/#comment-266 Ehi, beatiful photo! ;-) For your and your readers' information, the photo ( http://flickr.com/photos/phauly/16057817/ ) was taken during the School on Complex Networks - Trieste 2005, Lada Adamic was speaking about her uber-interesting work title "The Political Blogosphere and the 2004 U.S. Election: Divided they blog". paolo, aka phauly Ehi, beatiful photo! ;-)
For your and your readers’ information, the photo ( http://flickr.com/photos/phauly/16057817/ ) was taken during the School on Complex Networks – Trieste 2005, Lada Adamic was speaking about her uber-interesting work title “The Political Blogosphere and the 2004 U.S. Election: Divided they blog”.

paolo, aka phauly

]]> By: Ulises http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-265 Ulises Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:35:04 +0000 http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/#comment-265 Hi Frances, I'm not sure how you could quantify or power-analyze (?) the internodal. I know there's been some research done about social networks in blogging and syndication, but I can't cite any of it off the top of my head. Anyway, if you find some references, please share! Hi Frances,

I’m not sure how you could quantify or power-analyze (?) the internodal. I know there’s been some research done about social networks in blogging and syndication, but I can’t cite any of it off the top of my head. Anyway, if you find some references, please share!

]]> By: Frances Bell http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-264 Frances Bell Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:05:52 +0000 http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/#comment-264 I have come a bit late to this via your comments on Stephen Downes blog. Thanks very much for these ideas about the inter- and non-nodal. I am puzzling about networks visible via blogging and syndication, and analyses of the social relations. Has anyone done a power analysis of these? I have come a bit late to this via your comments on Stephen Downes blog. Thanks very much for these ideas about the inter- and non-nodal. I am puzzling about networks visible via blogging and syndication, and analyses of the social relations. Has anyone done a power analysis of these?

]]> By: Anne http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-263 Anne Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:23:13 +0000 http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/#comment-263 <em>they institutionalize an individualistic form of interest as the only viable motive for cooperation</em> bingo! hope you're thinking about applying to the bnmi reference check programme - it would be great to have you there :) they institutionalize an individualistic form of interest as the only viable motive for cooperation

bingo!

hope you’re thinking about applying to the bnmi reference check programme – it would be great to have you there :)

]]> By: Ulises http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-262 Ulises Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:26:27 +0000 http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/#comment-262 Interesting that you should express this in terms of a "yearning" for internodal space. I am currently trying to use Deleuze to explore the notion of liberating our social desires from the constraints that technocracy places on them (not that I think technology is 'evil'; it's just that the process of becoming in our times requires continuous self awareness of how sociality is being actualized through technology). Thanks for your comment, Artichoke. Interesting that you should express this in terms of a “yearning” for internodal space. I am currently trying to use Deleuze to explore the notion of liberating our social desires from the constraints that technocracy places on them (not that I think technology is ‘evil’; it’s just that the process of becoming in our times requires continuous self awareness of how sociality is being actualized through technology). Thanks for your comment, Artichoke.

]]> By: Artichoke http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-261 Artichoke Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:33:48 +0000 http://blog.ulisesmejias.com/2006/10/09/the-tyranny-of-nodes-towards-a-critique-of-social-network-theories/#comment-261 Thanks for this - it is fascinating new thinking for me – have only just caught up with Doc Searl’s Giant Zero metaphor “an end-to-end architecture in which every point is essentially zero distance from every other point (and as stupid as possible in the middle as well), would geometrically resemble a 3-D zero.” And I hadn’t realised till I read this post that the “stupid as possible in the middle bit could be explored through <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Space-Place-Perspective-Yi-Fu-Tuan/dp/0816638772" rel="nofollow"> Yi Fu Tuan’s Space and Place 1977</a> Tuan asks <i>“What is the nature of our experience of space and place?”</i> And follows with In what ways do people attach meaning to and organise space and place? Just the sort of questions you are asking about networks and nodes If “space” is more abstract than “place/node” then I guess it does mean that what begins as undifferentiated space becomes a node (place) as we get to know it better and endow it with value. But if the ideas of space and place require each other for definition, the more valuable the node the more we will yearn for the freedom of internodal space. Schama’s “Landscapes and memory” (another favourite book) is good for exploring the yearning for space and how every landscape (internodal space if you like) is but “a work of the mind, a repository of the memories and obsessions of the people who gaze upon it” Have to go think about the connections some more Thanks for this – it is fascinating new thinking for me – have only just caught up with Doc Searl’s Giant Zero metaphor “an end-to-end architecture in which every point is essentially zero distance from every other point (and as stupid as possible in the middle as well), would geometrically resemble a 3-D zero.”

And I hadn’t realised till I read this post that the “stupid as possible in the middle bit could be explored through Yi Fu Tuan’s Space and Place 1977

Tuan asks “What is the nature of our experience of space and place?”
And follows with
In what ways do people attach meaning to and organise space and place? Just the sort of questions you are asking about networks and nodes

If “space” is more abstract than “place/node” then I guess it does mean that what begins as undifferentiated space becomes a node (place) as we get to know it better and endow it with value.

But if the ideas of space and place require each other for definition, the more valuable the node the more we will yearn for the freedom of internodal space.

Schama’s “Landscapes and memory” (another favourite book) is good for exploring the yearning for space and how every landscape (internodal space if you like) is but “a work of the mind, a repository of the memories and obsessions of the people who gaze upon it”
Have to go think about the connections some more

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