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	<description>assistant professor, suny oswego</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for a praxical work-in-progress using the idea of tracing networks in order to rebuild a political project, see also http://yannickrumpala.wordpress.com/category/networks-and-rhizomes/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for a praxical work-in-progress using the idea of tracing networks in order to rebuild a political project, see also <a href="http://yannickrumpala.wordpress.com/category/networks-and-rhizomes/" rel="nofollow">http://yannickrumpala.wordpress.com/category/networks-and-rhizomes/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gabrelle Roderick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabrelle Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Elmore and Craig Tobias of Cisco have done extensive research in this area.  Mr. Tobias is responsible for deploying Cisco&#039;s customer support wiki.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Elmore and Craig Tobias of Cisco have done extensive research in this area.  Mr. Tobias is responsible for deploying Cisco&#8217;s customer support wiki.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-04-28 &#171; Spartakan</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-04-28 &#171; Spartakan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Social Networks and the Politics of Nodocentrism &#124; Politics Web 2.0 Conference Ulises Mejias (tags: politics research SNA project:demo_net 2008 participation) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ulises</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Paul. 

I disagree that nodal relations are entirely a function of one&#039;s perspective. Not to get all technological deterministic on you, but I do believe technosocial networks have properties (or affordances) that shape the perspective of nodes. To see it simply as a matter of choice seems simplistic, and dangerous. While the triviality of &quot;every inclusion is an exclusion&quot; might have been replaced by the optimistic mantra of &quot;everyone and everything can be included in something, and not excluded from everything,&quot; the politics of that inclusion are still worth questioning. 

In theory, the openness of networks would mean that, as you suggest, no single schema of inclusion and exclusion would prevail, and everyone would get a chance to be included in something. I am interested, however, in what happens when certain schemas are pushed virally within the network. I do believe that, as what has happened with other media, corporate interests will have a disproportionate power in imposing their schemas for inclusion/exclusion upon the majority (notwithstanding pockets of &quot;insurrection&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Paul. </p>
<p>I disagree that nodal relations are entirely a function of one&#8217;s perspective. Not to get all technological deterministic on you, but I do believe technosocial networks have properties (or affordances) that shape the perspective of nodes. To see it simply as a matter of choice seems simplistic, and dangerous. While the triviality of &#8220;every inclusion is an exclusion&#8221; might have been replaced by the optimistic mantra of &#8220;everyone and everything can be included in something, and not excluded from everything,&#8221; the politics of that inclusion are still worth questioning. </p>
<p>In theory, the openness of networks would mean that, as you suggest, no single schema of inclusion and exclusion would prevail, and everyone would get a chance to be included in something. I am interested, however, in what happens when certain schemas are pushed virally within the network. I do believe that, as what has happened with other media, corporate interests will have a disproportionate power in imposing their schemas for inclusion/exclusion upon the majority (notwithstanding pockets of &#8220;insurrection&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B. Hartzog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B. Hartzog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly every inclusion is an exclusion.  This is by now so tautological as to be trivial, and yet it is my own mantra and keeps me reflective (thank you, Adorno).

Meanwhile, there is no network, only networks.  Moreover, there is no real, only reals.
Network nodes (and relations) are a function of one&#039;s perspective, and it is the choice of perspective and not  an imagined &quot;reality&quot; of the network that performs the including and excluding.

The saving grace, if the emerging system of panarchy can be said to have one, lies in the fact that overlapping, interpenetrated, networks of perspectives that interrupt, challenge, support, and dialogue with each other, provide grounds for hope that no single schema of inclusion and exclusion will prevail.

In other words, everyone and everything can be included in something, and not excluded from everything.

I&#039;d be delighted if you could come discuss this more on http://www.panarchy.com

-Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly every inclusion is an exclusion.  This is by now so tautological as to be trivial, and yet it is my own mantra and keeps me reflective (thank you, Adorno).</p>
<p>Meanwhile, there is no network, only networks.  Moreover, there is no real, only reals.<br />
Network nodes (and relations) are a function of one&#8217;s perspective, and it is the choice of perspective and not  an imagined &#8220;reality&#8221; of the network that performs the including and excluding.</p>
<p>The saving grace, if the emerging system of panarchy can be said to have one, lies in the fact that overlapping, interpenetrated, networks of perspectives that interrupt, challenge, support, and dialogue with each other, provide grounds for hope that no single schema of inclusion and exclusion will prevail.</p>
<p>In other words, everyone and everything can be included in something, and not excluded from everything.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be delighted if you could come discuss this more on <a href="http://www.panarchy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.panarchy.com</a></p>
<p>-Paul</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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